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mucho Says:
July 23rd, 2008 at 6:18 pm

one word…OVERRATED!

namflashback Says:
July 23rd, 2008 at 6:45 pm

I tend to agree Jonathan. I think if he is being relied upon to be the best in a number of areas (ala Pronger, or Lidstrom) you’d obviously be disappointed.

In this depth chart — he does not have to be. His foot speed is slow, but in the d-zone and on the boards he has a few skills the rest of the D-corps does not.

As long as he is the guy who stays back so that he can use strong positioning rather than speed to protect in the d-zone, I think he can be effective.

I remember watching a couple of sequences last season where he played against the rush pretty effectively. While the rushing winger managed to gain zone pretty effectively, Souray was able to use position to keep the winger on the perimeter.

David S Says:
July 23rd, 2008 at 8:00 pm

Its funny that you wouldn’t be having this discussion if Souray was getting paid $2.0 mil or so a year. You’re absolutely right that we seem to equate worth to salary. In most cases that’s probably true, but unfortunately the “optics” the Oilers were paying for at the time aren’t considered as part of this deal (Staples’ series spreads some light here).

From what I saw last year at the games, your assessment is pretty much right on. However, I also saw that whenever we fell back to “getting it back to the point”, teams clued in pretty fast (must have spotters upstairs or something). Although as another solid scoring “option”, along with guys like Gagner coming on, I have more optimism for this coming year.

misfit Says:
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:06 pm

That’s exactly how I’ve always viewed Souray. A guy you want on your team, and a guy you put out every time you’re down a man, but not a guy you want to play on your top pair, or pay over $5M to play for you.

Unfortunately for Souray, Oiler fans, and the team, is that cap space and the ability to come out ahead 5-on-5 (when most of the game is played), are about the most important things there are.

David S is right. We wouldn’t be discussing this if he made 2M. Unfortunately he makes almost 3X that amount.

Edmonton Journal Says:
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:25 pm

[...] WILLIS AT OILERS NATION. For a clear-eyed view of the potential of Sheldon Souray, you can read Jonathan Willis’ piece at Oilers Nation. Here’s the nut of it: “In the final analysis, Sheldon [...]

Dennis Says:
July 23rd, 2008 at 10:57 pm

Actually, David. S, I think it’s the NHL’s salary cap which forces us to to look at a player’s salary in accordance to his on-ice value.

And what did Staples piece shed light on besides the fact the Oilers actually believed in Souray?

They were wrong and speaking of that, I’ve asked Mr. Brownlee this in the past and I don’t remember him responding but considering that Bob Stauffer considers himself the main media critic of the Oilers — and in particular MacT’s — moves, was there a dissenting voice the day the Oilers signed Souray?

Maybe there wasn’t and there won’t be because it was Lowe and not macT’s call.

Jonathan Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 7:50 am

They were wrong and speaking of that, I’ve asked Mr. Brownlee this in the past and I don’t remember him responding but considering that Bob Stauffer considers himself the main media critic of the Oilers — and in particular MacT’s — moves, was there a dissenting voice the day the Oilers signed Souray?

I was actually very surprised how little criticsim in the media there was of this acquisition. Somebody should have been able to look at that powerplay in Montreal anc come to the conclusion that Souray wasn’t driving it.

SlipperyPete Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 8:13 am

Sheldon Souray will have a bounce back year this year. I see him turning into a more Jason Smith type player with better mobility and a better scoring touch. With Visnovsky and Gilbert, and to a lesser degree Grebeshkov, in the fold there should be less pressure on Souray which he will benefit from. I see him scoring 35 - 40 points and re-establishing him self defensively.

Milli Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 10:06 am

At the time, I think most people where just happy that someone finally signed here. Remember last summer???? Wow, what a diference a year can make!!!! 80 days, only 80 more days!!!!

Matt Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 10:18 am

Based on what I saw last year Souray is a better defender than I expected, and worse offensively. I really like his skill set with this group. The Oil have lots of young, puck moving, less physical defencemen and a veteran, tough player is just what the team needs. His PP production is a bonus. He is a weak decision maker/ puck mover and needs to be paired with someone who can handle that roll.

However, in todays NHL, with the salary cap, the question you should ask about almost every player is “Can they out perform their salary?” With Souray the answer is no, and that is what makes him bad for the team.

There are players out there that can duplicate his defensive skill set for less $$. Leaving some cap room to sign that 3rd line veteran center.

Jonathan Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 11:30 am

At the time, I think most people where just happy that someone finally signed here. Remember last summer????

Personally, I’ve always been the “couldn’t care less if we can’t attract premium free agents” because I don’t think premium free agents particularly help teams win championships.

Tim S Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 12:42 pm

Until we are up against the cap and we are unable to make a trade or sign a free agent based on our limited cap space I do not see the point on focusing on Souray’s salary.

As mentioned before he seems better defensivly then I thought he would be. But he has a presence, whether it is through his toughness or the big shot from the point. I am looking forward to seeing a full year with of Souray.

David S Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 1:29 pm

Anybody who has had dealings with the Oilers, or even just has his ear to the ground will know that the one of the things that scared the EIG the most was the possible loss of season ticket revenue. I think if you read Staples’ series, this becomes clear. Maybe alot of that fear was founded in the early days when they were really trying to hold things together, and they never got over it.

What I’m saying is that the difference between what Souray should have been paid and what he was paid was related to two things:

1) You almost always overpay for guys in July (even Souray said the number came out of left field).

2) What might have been perceived as potential season ticket revenue loss was worth far more than the overpay.

Don’t forget - the team isn’t trying to appease a few hardcore, stats lovin’ fans. They are making sure Joe Fan who buys season tickets in the thousands of dollars is happy. Seems like mission accomplished.

Don’t kid yourself. Lowe probably knew Souray’s contract was an overpay. But he also knew why it had to be done - which we never will.

Jonathan Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

Until we are up against the cap and we are unable to make a trade or sign a free agent based on our limited cap space I do not see the point on focusing on Souray’s salary.

With Erik Cole, Mathieu Garon, Denis Grebeshkov and Ladislav Smid all needing contract extensions next summer, that moment isn’t too far away.

Besides which, in 2010-11, when all the kids come of their entry level deals, Souray’s contract will still be on the books.

Tony Romo Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

2010-2011 will be the year of reckoning for this Oilers squad. Until then, I think we are going to see pretty much the same team.

Unless they lose 19 of 20 games and Whyte Ave burns to the ground

DR Huxtable Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 1:47 pm

what you talkn’ bout Willis?

Rick Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 3:03 pm

“Besides which, in 2010-11, when all the kids come of their entry level deals, Souray’s contract will still be on the books.”

Souray’s no trade clause ends at the end of the ‘09-’10 season. So there is nothing keeping Lowe from moving him prior to the kids contracts becoming an issue.

Tim S Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 4:15 pm

If push came to shove I am sure the Oilers could hide Souray in the minors if his contract really became a problem. I just don’t know though, how expensive can the young guys really be?? They are not in the relm of Perry/Getzlaf. If the Cap continues to rise, there should not be a problem fitting everyone in. Another play for a Hossa thpe could change that in a hurry however.

David S Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

I’m surprised nobody’s mentioned it, but that’s gotta be the gayest pic of an NHL player I’ve ever seen. The white belt really sells it.

Jonathan Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 6:19 pm

what you talkn’ bout Willis?

Never heard that one before.

Souray’s no trade clause ends at the end of the ‘09-’10 season. So there is nothing keeping Lowe from moving him prior to the kids contracts becoming an issue.

Except for his somewhat exorbitant salary…

I just don’t know though, how expensive can the young guys really be?? They are not in the relm of Perry/Getzlaf.

Not right now, but by the end of 2010-11, where would you imaging Gagner and Cogliano’s skill levels to be?

Dennis Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 9:20 pm

Once you go about making all the excuses for Lowe, you can see why I’ve always said he has one of the easiest jobs in pro sports because he’s Never held accountable for anything he does.

Rick Says:
July 25th, 2008 at 8:28 am

“Except for his somewhat exorbitant salary…”

I think “exorbitant” is an overstatement.

Yes he is overpaid but it isn’t by an amount that would make him unmoveable. There are plenty of examples where I would argue the contracts were more of an overpayment than Souray’s and they still ultimately got moved.

It comes down to how many cents on the dollar you’re willing to take for him in a trade.

I would argue that the term of the contracts are more of a hinderance but in this case Souray will only have two years left which isn’t that big of deal.

Of course the bigger issue could be Souray’s health. If he put together a couple realitively healthy seasons he likely gets scooped up quickly. A couple seasons like last year and the Oilers are likely stuck with him for the duration.

fyvmvv Says:
July 25th, 2008 at 10:18 am

What he said. Now lets get down to the real issue here. Where the hell was that picture taken? It looks like something out of a bathhouse in San Francisco. And what is with the white belt? Are there white shoes to go with that get-up?

fyvmvv Says:
July 25th, 2008 at 10:20 am

Oh I get it. It’s a promo for the Village People.

Rick Says:
July 25th, 2008 at 11:35 am

“And what is with the white belt? Are there white shoes to go with that get-up?”

Clearly the younger generations can’t appreciate how influential Herb Tarleck was.

fyvmvv Says:
July 25th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

These young whipper-snappers probably don’t remember the dulcet tones of Ward Cornell or incisive colour commentary of Bob Goldham either. What a bunch of punks.

Edmonton Journal Says:
September 15th, 2008 at 10:56 pm

[...] & Blue, Jonathan Willis made no prediction about Souray’s production, but gave the player a positive review: “In the final analysis, Sheldon Souray is a good player, a guy who is a positive force on special [...]


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